Tag: PAP

  • Continuation to the CPF MSS Debate

    Here’s a continuation to the big CPF Minimum Sum Scheme (MSS) debate that made a record 128 comments on my Facebook wall post.

    The entire debate broke up into two topics of discussion. One of them is whether CPF is good for us (vs. a welfare system) and while I do agree that CPF is generally better than having to pay high taxes for the general welfare of another misbehaving person, the other part I’m going on and on about is that the MSS is way too, urm… stringent (for the lack of a better word)?

    Based on my extrapolation there is a possibility that the MSS becomes so high that a graduate making the maximum possible CPF contribution from the day he starts work at the age of 25 may never meet MSS despite not spending a single cent on property. This will continue to hold true unless some variables are changed, such as raising the $5K cap, or raising the age at which MSS computation is taken.

    What happens after 55 (till 65)?

    There’s a period between the time we are 55 to 65 that we’ll likely have little or no money left in our CPF OA because it all went to our RA. If people aren’t able to meet the MSS it means that *all* their OA balance will be transferred to RA and they’ll have to cough up cash for property at 55 years of age.

    There is a workaround, however, and that is to fully pay off the property with any balance in the OA before one reaches 55 but not many are aware of this option.

    This period between 55 to 65 is also a pretty harsh period for most people as their kids would have just entered tertiary education at around 20 years old (expensive fees) and their parents are probably also getting really old at around 80 years old (expensive healthcare). Adding a sudden property commitment could be disastrous for a family that’s already tight on financial resources.

    Mortage repayments will go beyond 55

    Most people around me are buying properties in their very late 20s and across their 30s. This means that their 30-year mortgage commitments will extend beyond the age of 55 and the MSS will definitely affect a lot of people.

    I could continue to argue that had CPF not been allowed for property purchases, property prices wouldn’t have been this high. After all it’s money we can’t use in the near term, so people willingly spend it all on a property. However, it is also true that some people with literally no cash savings will never be able to buy a property. It’s a double edged sword, and that’s a discussion for another day.

    So what good is a payout from 65 to 85 that when those who haven’t had sufficient cash savings (presumably that’s the group that the government is trying to save from dying of hunger) aren’t even sustainable 10 years prior?

    Leopard will never change its spots

    The second part about MSS is the question of how useful would a payout of $600+/mth be (at current MSS of $155K). I know of people who will receive $600 for the week and blow it at a horse race. Assuming if the MSS is raised to provide a payout of up to $1,000/mth, nothing would change. If they didn’t have enough money they’ll take a loan, and I’m sure moneylenders, legal or illegal,  would be glad to make a hefty interest by advancing these old folk’s government payouts. Whether it is paid annually, monthly, or daily, there’s no solving this problem, really. Old habits die hard and the burden will continue to be on their children/spouse/siblings/country/state.

    Those who are financially prudent will likely meet and exceed the MSS, so why let that money get stuck in CPF while they could have used it for something more important, like their kid’s education, or to fund a new business venture, or if they’re feeling generous even donate it to charity?

    Thoughts on alternatives

    If the MSS was meant to help those in need, then there should be criteria established to qualify for withdrawal of lump-sum CPF monies. One such example would be for emergency healthcare. If a person had cancer — a very common disease at older age, he/she should be eligible to withdraw a reasonably large percentage of all his RA monies to fund for his treatment. Similar to any form of health insurance scheme, one could surrender early — albeit possibly at a loss, but at their own discretion because not all types of diseases are covered by general health insurance schemes.

    Those who are prudent and have sufficient cash savings could possibly present proof, such as a bank statement, to allow withdrawal of their CPF savings for other purposes, such as for investments, children’s educational funds, or simply to immigrate and live in a peaceful island away from Singapore. In this manner, it would also encourage people to save sufficiently before 55. Cultivating the habit of financial prudence does not occur overnight.

    P.S. I just found out that there is indeed a way to exempt yourself from the MSS. To do so you must have have purchased your own annuity program or have a pension payout that is equal or more than the current MSS monthly payout. But what isn’t clear at this point (to me) is whether I am eligible to receive my CPF monies in full cash once exempted, or if there are other fine prints.

  • CPF Minimum Sum at $155K?!

    The government just announced that the CPF minimum sum will be raised to $155K this year. Back in 2003 the min. sum was $80K.

    Minimum sum will be $600K by 2037

    Looking at this chart I came up with a very conservative 6% compound per annum, the min. sum will be almost $600K by the time I’m 55!

    I (personally) wouldn’t have met the min. sum

    Provided that I continue working till I’m 55 and am paying off my flat with CPF, I would have only accumulated approximately $370K by the time I’m 55 (including CPF interests). I’m no where near the minimum sum projection.

    The $5K max contribution limit will be raised very soon

    I strongly believe that the current max of $5K will be increased very soon because the sums just do not work out. Here’s a fictitious example of a highly paid young and energetic local graduate drawing a salary of $5K/mth so he can make the maximum possible CPF contribution from day one.

    Edit: I made some mistakes in the calculations earlier, this is an updated sheet.

    (I’m having trouble uploading graphics, will do so later.)

    He would have around $807K in his OA + SA by the time he’s 55, but check out his minimum sum! That’s provided if he doesn’t buy a property.

    But I’m sure he wants to get married and buy a flat… and have kids… the government strongly encourages that!

    He’ll have no money left in CPF if he bought a condo

    So after working for 30 years and paying for a flat together with his spouse, it is fair assumption that this bloke would have $300K less in his CPF for a decent HDB flat at current prices ($600K for a flat including interests divided equally between husband and wife).

    If the couple buys a million dollar, they will have nothing left in their OA.

    If his wife gets pregnant and stops working we may find another dead body in Bedok Reservoir/Singapore River.

    Singapore tax rate is effectively >36.5%

    Given that our current CPF rate is 36.5% (20% employee + 16.5% employer) our income tax rates can be considered to exceed 36.5%. Just as an example, the highly-paid graduate above would pay about 3% income tax for a salary of $60K/yr. This would add up to around 39.5% in taxes. This is higher than many developed countries. Even in US the highest tax bracket in the most expensive state is around 40%.

    What the hell are we still contributing to CPF? We should be contributing as little as possible.

    On hindsight, maybe it is a good idea to spend all your CPF money on a property since you’re never ever going to get it back.

    The other question would be why are we even buying older and shorter tenure properties for more money?

  • A note for the Blind Followers

    OK, I’ve had enough of people blindly saying good things about the men in white and that the oppositions suck. We have to discount the opposition because they haven’t been on the job yet – how would I expect you to know how to fix my problems if I haven’t even hired you?

    Yes, due respect for LKY. He’s a great man, but things have changed. This country is no longer 3rd world and cannot be managed like the way it was before.

    I quote a note shared by a friend on Facebook:

    I fear the Singaporean who says “I think the opposition candidate in my constituency is crap, but I will vote him anyway because I think the PAP is arrogant.” I cannot agree with that.

    Cannot agree with what? Arrogance? Arrogance diminishes wisdom my friend.

    No doubt there are really good and smart people amongst the men in white, such as GY, TCH, GCT but I’ve had enough of them especially the MP in my area (now contesting in Holland-Bukit Timah GRC). Let me relate my experience.

    I have a neighbour noise problem. And trust me I’m not the only person in Singapore with this issue. Google it and you will find it. Some people have it worse than me and this affects people’s lives.

    Yes, I’m a musician and I’m sensitive to noise, but I am not unreasonable. I’ve been living in HDB flats since young and haven’t heard such noises at my parent’s flat. Worse even, these noises occur at night right above my bedroom. I can’t sleep in peace or spend a weekend at home without going crazy. HDB flats nowadays are built cheaply with paper thin walls that I can hear every noise my neighbour makes. I’ve tried to talk to my neighbour, called the police, visited my MP and even written in to HDB.

    What pisses me off is my MP being the last resort not giving a hoot about my neighbour problem. When I asked him if there’s any law governing these issues, he said “not really” and there’s nothing much he can do except write a letter to HDB. Yes, he did indeed write a letter to HDB, but I’ve never seen the HDB officer visit my flat to even listen to the kind of noises I have to put up with.

    So what do I need my MP for when he doesn’t even bother? I’m not saying all of PAP is bad, but some shit needs to be fixed.

    And I quote my friend again:

    But I don’t think voting against someone good as a statement against the GRC system is entirely logical…

    So if I vote for the same group, I will get the same guy who will not solve my problem anyway. How about let’s say have you ever done a project with a crappy team mate? Reality of life is that if you have a bad team mate, he/she drags you into the water. If I stand up for such a system, I’m supporting gerrymandering and the GRC bullshit.

    I feel the severe lack of freedom of speech, the lack of the right to even request for something. I’m not taking about Mas Selamat, the floods and the overcrowded MRT and roads. These are civil service issues that are brought about by the policies that were (or not) made.

    Get this fact right – the civil service will only act by the book and these laws are defined by our government. As of now there are no laws protecting us. Read the first few pages of the WP manifesto, it is quite interesting.

    FYI, I had to take things into my own hands and it got really ugly to a stage that my property agent actually went up to my neighbour with some fruits to make peace. But the issue is still not totally resolved. Take it that I’m firing my MP and finding a new one.

  • Aging Gracefully

    Not many political discussions make it to my blog, but I think this one is worth blogging about since this actually sparked off a long discussion on Facebook.

    Wife’s friend said the problem is not with how CPF works but with Singaporeans not knowing how to age gracefully. I totally agree with this.

    There are many opinions on whether CPF is a good or bad system. Some say it is good because it forces Singaporeans to save and controls their spending during retirement, some say it’s bad because the lower income will have no CPF to start with and they are left to die, some conspiracy theories say we don’t really know if CPF even has enough money to pay out with our aging population.

    Nevermind the speculation. Let me talk about retirement.

    Retirement is a common misconception that most of us have; most people expect to work till the so-called retirement age and then all of a sudden they retire and stop working. This is the very reason why some of you have your old folks telling you things like “(they) have fed you for the past 20 years, it’s time for you to pay back.”

    I’m not against filial piety, but expecting your child to feed you through your retirement isn’t the right mentality either. A lot of people I’ve seen suffer precisely because of their warped idea of this ancient Chinese virtue – their parents decided that it’s time to retire because their children are now working and that they should be given a (hefty) monthly allowance so they can go and play mahjong, visit the casino, buy alcohol and smoke weed when their children have just barely started with their career and are still paying off their study loans. Is this right?

    People say that they worry for their future generations – that they will not be able to afford a flat, keep up with the education system and adapt to the rising costs of living in Singapore. If we continue to have such a mentality living dollar-to-dollar, spending all our money saying that we live only once, and hoping our children will one day make tonnes of money and turn you into a full-time Tai Tai, how are we helping our children ourselves by doing this to them, let alone allow our government to help us?

    I empathize with the people who are not poor by choice but poor by circumstance, but I have seen too many people poor by choice, i.e. they don’t know how to save, spend all their earnings, refuse to work, or just gamble their money away. These are the very people who just blatantly pick any topic and blame the government for their current poor state.

    Get this right guys – no government can solve this problem. If for example Singapore ceases the CPF system and start feeding and caring for these people who are “poor by choice” then the tax payers will have to bear the high taxes – typically in excess of 30% as seen by most developed nations with such schemes. Or if for example we have a minimum wage scheme, people will become unemployed as they are priced out of their value (thanks Prof Ben – insightful discussion).

    If you have worked hard for your money and you pay 30% tax just to feed these people, will you be angry?

    By then you think we’ll still find $3 chicken rice or $0.90 coffee in Singapore when wages and taxes are so high?

    For the middle sandwich class, every one of us should fend for ourselves and plan our so-called retirement which does not necessarily mean to stop working and play mahjong all day long but to continue doing something we love/enjoy as we age and hopefully (and very likely) make decent money during the process.

    For the lower income group – I’m talking about those who can’t even afford to read this article folks. If you have fucking Internet access, you are not POOR – I believe the government is there to help. Go and seek aid.

    The retirement concept is dead folks. Don’t rely on your CPF.

    FYI – just in case you are wondering, I am pretty party neutral. I don’t like the high minister pay, neither am I a Kate Spade fan. I’m not exactly pleased with the increase in CPF contribution rates either since I think it does little for our so-called retirement. I also do think a fair amount of minority party making some noise would help keep the majority ruling party on their feet. Overall, Singapore is still a very safe country and I appreciate that.