Category: Automotive

  • Buying and Financing a Car in Singapore

    Update: Do also read the updated article I wrote here in 2014: How to buy a used car in Singapore

    Ever since my two test drive posts I’ve had a few friends contact me about buying a car. I think it’s best that I share it on a blog post so it benefits many others who are considering to buy a car in Singapore.

    Disclaimer: Buying a car in Singapore is mainly a lifestyle decision, and also a big financial decision. There’s never a right or wrong time to buy a car. If you need one, just go for it, but make sure you do your finances right.

    Singapore’s Vehicle Tax Structure

    The tax structure in Singapore makes car buying/financing a pretty complicated process.

    The first thing to know is what makes up a vehicle’s price in Singapore:

    +--------------------------------+
    | OMV | ARF | COE | Profit | GST |= Total price of car
    +--------------------------------+

    GST, or Goods and Services Tax is a tax on the purchase value of goods or services in Singapore. I think this one is the easiest to understand. Right now this amount is at 7% of sale price.

    OMV, or Open Market Value is the declared value of the car. One can consider this the cost of the dealer importing the car.

    ARF, or Additional Registration Fee is a form of import tax. As of March 2008, the ARF is 100% of OMV. Prior to that it was 110%.

    COE, or Certificate of Entitlement is also a form of tax that grants the owner a right to use the vehicle for a period of 10 years. COE prices are controlled by market forces based on supply and demand and is broken into several categories based on vehicle type and engine capacity. The amount paid is known as a Quota Premium (“QP”).

    As of now, Cat A QP (cars 1600cc and below) is somewhere near $47,000. I think most of the readers know this.

    Of course, finally there’s the profit and other miscellaneous costs such as registration fees which are pretty negligible in ratio to the final selling price of a vehicle in Singapore.

    Now, it is important that one understands the tax structure first before moving on to the next part.

    Singapore’s Vehicle Renewal Scheme

    Ever wondered why most vehicles in Singapore are new and shiny? That’s because of how the Singapore government encourages renewal of cars by offering tax refunds when one deregisters a car!

    This is when you see terms like PARF (Preferential ARF?) rebate. Basically this is a tax refund scheme that reduces in value over a period of 10 years. For the 1st to 4th year, the government grants a 75% refund of the ARF if a car is deregistered. Every subsequent year thereafter, this amount drops by 5%.
    Once the car reaches its 10th year, no refund (0%) is given.

    1st to 4th year, before reaching 5th year = 75%
    5th year, before reaching 6th year = 70%
    6th year, before reaching 7th year = 65%
    7th year, before reaching 8th year = 60%
    8th year, before reaching 9th year = 55%
    9th year, before reaching 10th year = 50%
    10th year and beyond = 0%

    The same goes for COE refunds, but in a linear fashion. COE refunds reduce on a daily basis, so as each day passes, the refund amount reduces in a straight line until the end of 10 years where it will be 0%.

    Having understood the tax refund (aka “rebate”) structure, we now come to a term that car dealers like to use to confuse you – paper value.

    The oh-so-familiar term “paper value” basically refers to the amount of refundable tax on a car. In other words, it is an amount of money the dealer will certainly get from the government when deregistering the car.

    What they do NOT tell you is that your car still has a worth. Look at this chart again:

    +--------------------------------+
    | OMV | ARF | COE | Profit | GST |= Total price of car
    +--------------------------------+

    Paper value is a refund of ARF (tax) + COE (tax). What happened to the OMV, or more appropriately, the worth of the car? Ah-ha! They have suckered you into trading in your car for a low “paper value”, and then exported your shiny new car to another country for resale at a pretty decent profit!

    Remember, our country is small. Our annual car mileages are relatively low and Singapore cars are well taken care of. A lot of countries favour cars exported from Singapore. Don’t let the dealers bullshit you into believing otherwise.

    Understanding Depreciation

    So what is depreciation? It is basically the financial costs of a car after tax refunds, over a period of utilization.

    Remember the tax refund scheme? You could still get a 50% ARF refund at the 9th year just a few days before the car reaches exactly 10 years of age. This amount is known as the minimum PARF benefit.

    Therefore assuming one drives the car for the whole 10 years, the annual cost of financing a car is [(Purchase Price – Minimum PARF benefit)/10 years]. This is known as the annual depreciation.

    Why is Depreciation Important?

    Depreciation is fundamental to knowing the long-term affordability of almost anything, especially physical goods. Your house, your car, your computer, etc. Everything has a lifespan.

    By understanding depreciation, you will also be able to better know if your financial decision is sound and if you are able to cut loss in a dire situation, which brings me to my next section.

    Financing a Car and Overtrades

    Many people make a financial decision to buy a car only asking one thing: “How much do I pay each month?”

    This was my biggest mistake when I bought my first new car; I hope it won’t be yours.

    The monthly cost is just part of the affordability equation. The next part of the question is: “If I need to sell my car, will I have any outstanding loans?”

    You must be thinking now, “what do you mean ‘outstanding loans’?”

    Don’t forget – you took a loan. Assuming you didn’t pay a single cent initially as downpayment, the bank charges you lots of interest for that. Now that you’re selling your car, are you able to pay off the total amount you owe the bank (called the settlement amount) from the proceeds of your car sale?

    This is quite hard to understand now, so I’ll use an example.

    Let’s just say I bought a car for $100,000. Round figures are easy to work with.

    I took a 10 year loan. The loan interest rate is now 1.88%.

    Interest: $100,000 * 1.88% * 10 years = $18,800
    Total: $100,000 + $18,800 = $118,800
    Monthly: $118,800 / (10 years * 12 months) = $990

    So I owe the bank $18,800 in interests even before I drove the car!

    Now, assuming I drove the car for 3 years and I decided to sell it. I still owe the bank the following according to the Rule of 72:

    Amount Paid: $990 * 3 years * 12 months = $35,640
    Balance: $118,800 – $35,640 = $83,160
    Rule of 72 rebate: Complex formula, etc. = $9,245
    20% Penalty: $9,245 * 20% = $1,849
    Settlement: $83,160 – $9,245 + $1,849 = $75,764

    The real truth is that after 3 years my car would probably sell for only $65,000, So I still need to “top up” $10,764. As the car ages, this value might get lesser.

    At one point, you may be able to sell your car for as much as the settlement amount. Some people call this breaking even, i.e. you owe the bank as much as you sold the car for.

    A lot of people kill themselves here because they took way too much loan. When time comes that they desperately need to sell the car to relief themselves of a monthly burden, they are stuck in a situation where they are not able to pay off the outstanding loan.

    As an end result, most people sell their cars and buy yet another car – likely a cheaper and older car and bundle this outstanding loan into a new loan. This is called overtrade. Overtrades are the worst thing you can do – to take a loan on top of a loan. Don’t ever do that!

    Are loans that bad? Should I take a loan?

    Why not? Loans are healthy financial instruments if managed properly. The key here is to plan for an exit. My general advise is to downpay at least the dealer’s profit and part of the OMV since tax is a refundable portion. This way, you’re taking a loan on a guaranteed sum! This formula has never gone wrong on me so far.

    Financing Tips

    The best way to reduce your loan interest is to shorten the loan term. If you are taking a $100,000 loan at the prevailing interest rate of 1.88% for 10 years, that’s $18,800 of interests! Shortening your loan from 10 years to 7 years would reduce this amount to $13,160. That’s a reduction in $5,640 of interests.

    Downpayment is useful if you intend to sell your car SOON as it reduces the principal sum. But downpayment does not really reduce interests that much.

    Using the above example, if I down pay $20,000 and take $80,000 in loan for 10 years, I’ll still pay $15,040 in interests. That’s still more interests than reducing my loan term by 3 years even after coughing up $20,000.

    What are the other costs of car ownership?

    Insurance. Insurance can be quite expensive, especially if you are young or inexperienced. I have seen annual premiums of up to $3,400 which averages about $300 per month!

    Parking. You’ll need to park your car somewhere. Factor in all the parking costs, including weekend shopping. Typical HDB season parking costs $70-90.

    Road tax. These are annual and vary with the engine capacity of your car. Check with your dealer. 1600cc cars hover around $600-700 per year; or about $50 per month.

    Fuel. The average Singapore car travels about 20,000 kms per year. For most cars, this is about $300 in fuel monthly. Hybrids will be happy to do that distance for less fuel, of course.

    Servicing. All cars need regular maintenance to keep them running well. A neglected car may cost you even more in repairs! A typical car in Singapore goes for servicing twice a year. Each servicing trip can cost $100-300, depending on where you go and what you do.

    Fines. This needs no explanation!

    What about 2nd hand cars?

    2nd hand cars are certainly good financial decisions as they depreciate lesser than new cars. When cars go out of warranty after their 3rd (or 5th in some) years, their values drop quite significantly. Once they reach the magical age of 5 years where the ARF drops an additional 5%, a car’s value drops even further.

    The problem with 2nd hand cars are generally mechanical risks. You’ll need to ask yourself if you can afford to have a car in the workshop for several days. Some people depend on their vehicles for a living!

    You’ll also need to ask yourself if you have sufficient budget for repairs. I would generally say budget up to $2,000 for initial repairs (worst case) and thereafter up to $1,000 annually (again, worst case). If you cannot cough out this amount of money on top of your expensive insurance premiums and road tax, you should consider alternative means of transport.

    2nd hand car buying tips:

    • Insist that you send the car to STA for inspection of chassis alignment. STA has computerized chassis alignment tools that will be able to tell if your vehicle’s main structure has been compromised. Some small accidents cannot be detected (e.g. bumper dents, etc.) Make it clear to your dealer that a grading of C and below should be rejected immediately.
    • Insist that you send the car to a third party workshop for inspection. Ask around for reputable mechanics who would inspect the car for a small fee. If the dealer disagrees to this, drop the deal. The car is likely a dodgy deal.
    • Test drive the car – go over humps, switch off the A/C and radio, listen for noises, turn the steering left and right quickly, get on the gas and brakes randomly, test the lights, test the horns, insist on new tyres.
    • Don’t judge a car by it’s paintjob. Most dealers send the car for a respray to cover up the dings and scratches left behind by the previous owner. Look for oil and coolant leaks under the car, especially after a test drive would be more ideal.
    • Don’t trust the mileage. 9 in 10 car dealers meddle with the odometer. If you check your sales contract you’ll be surprised theres a paragraph that disclaims them from the accuracy of the odometer. Look for tell tale signs of wear and tear – seats, steering, gas/brake pedals, seat belts.

    What are COE cars?

    COE cars are basically cars without a PARF rebate. Before a car reaches 10 years of age, somebody decided to forgo the PARF rebate and renew the COE on the car so it has the right to drive for an additional 5 or 10 years.

    I would advise against purchasing COE cars unless you are into vintage cars. They may look cheap, but in actual fact they depreciate much more because of their age (more than 10 years) and the lack of a guaranteed tax rebate.

    If an average Singapore car travels 20,000km per year, a 10 year old COE car would have travelled 200,000kms! Be prepared for a major mechanical overhaul.

    Always buy a newer car that you can afford.

    With that, I end my super long blog entry. Happy motoring!

  • Another lazy Sunday; off to more car showrooms…

    OK, it was another idle Sunday not knowing what to do, so we decided to go poke around more showrooms after lunch at Old Town White Coffee along Chun Tin Road (Bukit Timah).

    First stop, Volkswagen

    We test drove the new VW Passat 1.8T (not the Passat CC) which was launched just 2 months ago. I was pleasantly surprised by the car – powerful, quiet, comfortable and feature packed.

    Assisted by a light pressure turbo, the engine’s torque can be felt as early as 1,500 rpm. By 2,000 rpm there was sufficient torque to haul the heavy 1.5 tonne car around. The 7 speed DSG was such a marvel – you wouldn’t notice it shifting. Moving off from a traffic junction, it shifts from 1 to 2 in about a second… before you know it, you’re at gear 7!

    Sound insulation was excellent given the 18″ alloys and low profile tyre – it’s about as good as it gets.

    I like the hold assist feature – it keeps the car stationary once you bring it to a complete stop; to get it going again simply just tap the accelerator. This is particularly useful at traffic junctions but when you are stuck in a traffic jam or are parking your vehicle, Hold Assist can get annoying. It can be turned off by flicking a switch beside your gearstick.

    On top of that, the Passat comes with a built-in GPS navigation (beautiful maps and touch screen, BTW) and a reverse camera with direction guide, i.e. it draws a line of your intended direction of travel based on the angle of your steering. This is nothing like the bolt-on 3rd party reverse cameras in JDM/KDM rides.

    For the price of $15x,xxx (after discount), this is easily the most value-for-money buy in the luxury sedan category. Not to mention the boot is HUGE!

    Comfort: 9/10 – Quiet, spacious and smooth ride. Great workmanship. Floor mounted gas pedals reduce fatigue on long distance drives.
    Features: 9.5/10 – Everything in, except for bluetooth. Love the navigation.
    Engagement: 9/10 – Very forgiving on the inputs but still precise. Engine torque kicks in quickly.
    Design: 7.5/10 – A little squarish for my personal taste, but still looks reasonably modern.
    Value: 9.5/10 – Certainly value-for-money for a car this size.

    Second stop, Audi

    So we went next door to the big brother, Audi, and tested the A4 1.8T. Vorsprung Durch Technikkkk… *boop boop* *boop boop*.

    The first impression of the A4 was so-so. Although the interior bore some resemblance to VW, it was actually lacking in features probably because the A4 is already a 3 year old model (launched in 2008).

    In normal (“Auto” Drive Select) mode, the engine felt slightly more responsive than the Passat and is perfectly suited for day-to-day city driving. Switching Drive Select to Dynamic mode made the steering heavier and improved throttle response. However, the gearbox downshifts a little too eagerly for my liking though it may be just my personal preference.

    What I did not quite get used to was the brakes – it was overly sensitive. For those who drive their car like they stole it, this aggressive braking behavior is fine. But for older folks, maybe not – they might unintentionally execute an emergency brake at a traffic junction. So now you know folks, don’t tailgate an Audi driven by an uncle.

    Oddly the sound insulation was a fair bit poorer than the VW (older car?) and the sportier drive actually made wife sitting at the back a little uncomfortable.

    No GPS navigation, a lower resolution display than it’s sister VW and rivals BMW and Volvo (more on that later), plus a not-so-intuitive joystick on the front panel instead of having it beside the gearstick (like the BMW) takes a lot of points off the A4. For a premium brand, from Premium Automobiles, I’d expect more. It does however feature bluetooth connectivity for your mobile phone – the Passat didn’t.

    For the price of $18x,xxx (after overtrade) for the “Ambition” model, it’s not a very good buy. They have a cheaper “Limited Edition” model at $15x,xxx (after overtrade) but it lacks lots of features, including LED Daytime Running Lights (DRL) which are probably the only other reason why you’ll buy an Audi!

    Also, just like VWs, Audis are FWD. For an additional $10k, you’ll get a Quattro 4WD; the rivals (BMW 3-series and Mercedes-Benz C-class) are RWD in comparison at similar price ranges.

    Comfort: 8.5/10 – Gear downshifts a little too quickly when accelerating in dynamic mode, brakes a little too sensitive for uncles. No floor mounted gas pedals!
    Features: 8/10 – No GPS, low resolution screen. Response of the MMI is a little laggy also.
    Engagement: 9/10 – Engine is powerful and responsive, 8 speed gearbox shifts seamlessly, unfortunately it is a FWD.
    Design: 8.5/10 – No DRL for “Limited Edition”, interior looks cluttered and confusing.
    Value: 7/10 – You can get a fully packed version of a VW for much lesser, or a fully-packed BMW with all the bells and whistles for an extra 10k.

    Third stop, Kia

    I hopped by Kia to take a look at the new Kia Optima K5. At $119,xxx it was indeed the cheapest of all the luxury sedans.

    The K5 had a fair bit of bells and whistles, although nowhere near the VW Passat. Factory fitted bluetooth, rear air-conditioning, electric memory seats, auto headlights, rain sensors, paddle shifters, cruise control, and the start-stop button made it stand out from the other KDM/JDM rides.

    According to the sales guy, the new units of the K5 arriving in Q3 2011 will also feature 6 airbags (instead of 2), a panoramic sunroof and a in-dashboard LCD display which is a huge step in closing the Continental vs KDM gap.

    Unfortunately I cannot rate the car yet – the sales guy was extremely talkative and that actually prevented me from asking for a test drive as it was getting late. I will try to get a test drive soon!

    Fourth stop, Volvo

    Since Volvo was just next door, I drove by and took a quick glimpse at the new Volvo S60. The built-in LCD was beautiful and in my opinion better than VW’s and Audi. The screen was of a very high resolution, similar to that of the new BMW iDrive (CIC). The controls were intuitive and lag-free and I loved the simplicity of the interior.

    One thing I didn’t like though was the type of leather Volvo uses – they are prone to cracking after 3 years. I’m surprised they have not changed the leather material.

    I didn’t have much time to look further into detail or ask for a test drive, but at first glance the S60 looks very promising. I will try to find out more soon!

  • A Sunday at two Car Showrooms – BMW and Lexus

    I got a call from Performance Motor Limited (“PML”) about a private sale, so guys being guys, I agreed to go down. Of course, I brought the wife along so she can play “finance manager” and say NO in case I get tempted.

    So the private sale was like this – you must be on the invite list, and must have a car to trade-in and they offered an insane price for the trade-in. The trade-in price was easily >$30K above market prices, which brought the BMW 318i price down from $180,800 to $14x,xxx or a BMW 320i from $203,800 to $17x,xxx.

    The discounted price for a 318i is good considering that a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord are selling at the same price in the current market.

    But I was more interested in the 320i. That’s a crazy price for a car, I’m sure. But I was pleasantly surprised by what the latest model offered – all the electronic gadgets makes me pee my pants. It has 17″ rims, iDrive with built-in navigation, bluetooth telephone w/address book and voice activated dailing, in-vehicle information display such as service intervals and other mechanical status of brakes, engine, blah blah blah, timer for air-con recirculation so you don’t get into a baking hot car parked under the sun, and here’s the best part – INTERNET. Yes, bluetooth tethering with the iPhone.

    The 320i also has fold-down rear seats (the old one didn’t, or was an option) and the audio system has been marginally improved with more powerful bass (up to +/- 10 step adjustments instead of +/- 6 on the old models).

    I also test-drove the 318i which had the new electronic steering system and it was indeed much lighter and easier to park the car, but there’s a slight lack of “road” feel. I still like it though, cos the wife doesn’t like the heavy steering on the old model.

    It was very tempting at $17x,xxx. Damn bloody expensive, I know, but I really liked it – it’s a dream car. We spent a few good hours in the showroom, and the salesman started giving an additional 1-2K off. But the wife said NO. Sigh. No new high-tech ride for me.

    So being unconvinced that BMW was the best car around, I went pouty faced over to Lexus to test the new CT200h which they claim to be oozing with technology. It is lower in price too due to government discounts on green cars.

    What a disappointment. The interior looks sub-par (compared to the BMW) and the sales guy also sucked – he treated me like I couldn’t afford a Lexus. Yeah, maybe I can’t but the showroom looks pathetic – it’s was EMPTY.

    The base model at $154K didn’t have leather seats so I asked him how the fabric looked like. His reply was, “Huh? Cloth lor.” I was like WTF? Like show me some samples? He said they didn’t have any.

    Anyway, no leather? For a Lexus? Borneo Motors, I don’t know what you were thinking.

    The higher “Plus” model at $158K had leather seats. That was the only difference – top up $4K for factory fitted leather.

    So I decided to cut the crap talk and asked for a test drive. Here’s a summary of my experience:

    The seats were manually adjusted. For a $158K car, I wouldn’t expect that.

    The moment I pushed the START button, the car feels weird – it was silent except for the air-con blower. I got on the gas a bit – still silent.

    Then at approx 30km/h the petrol 1.7 litre inline 4 engine kicks in and you suddenly hear a low rumble and more power.

    My first foot on the brake in the carpark felt weird too – it wasn’t progressive and the braking effect was sudden as if somebody else was braking the car harder than you wanted for you. My feeling is that it’s caused by the car engaging a flywheel of sorts to charge the NiMH batteries.

    After getting up to speed, braking felt slightly better but still weird – it’s just not progressive. Adding to the weird braking behavior, you could hear the whine of the dynamo/generator which was a little annoying.

    I was still driving in “normal” mode all this while. Then I switched to the “sport” mode – oh what a difference. The CVT gearbox kicks me into a lower gear and now the car takes off on it’s 1.7 litre engine. But again, this felt weird. The change was too abrupt – from a tame hybrid it was suddenly TOO responsive and I had to change my footing.

    Then finally I tried the “eco” mode which was oh my god slow as a turtle. I couldn’t stay on it for more than 5 seconds, so I switched back to “normal”.

    It was a short test drive, but it wasn’t a good experience at all. As a driver, I felt weird. The car’s behavior was abrupt, unpredictable and unrefined. The wife sitting quietly at the back also said the ride was rough and the interior didn’t give her a “wow” feeling. The audio system was terrible – in fact worse than my Nissan Latio. On the level of sound insulation, the BMW wasn’t any different. So whoever that tells me a Lexus is silent, I’m going to beat you up.

    At $158K, I’d rather buy the BMW 318i which would be packed with slightly more features and a more refined drive. The $10K difference could pay for lots of fuel – at least 3 years’ worth.

    I think that these hybrids still need some time to get their act right. To achieve 24km/l it might be worth considering a Toyota Prius instead.

    I’d love to test a BMW ActiveHybrid if it comes here though. I have confidence in BMW’s engineering to build a more progressive and predictable hybrid.

    OK, enough for the day. Back to reality. No high tech cars for me! 🙁

  • Welcome back

    As promised, I will attempt to revive my blogging.

    As I type, I’m actually watching “The Social Network”. Damn geeky, I know. Not the best movie of all time for a Saturday night.

    Anyway just to start off the new year – lots of shit happened in Q1 2011. My “Ultimate” Driving Machine™ had a cracked radiator which meant it needs to be replaced. Not too expensive but still ouch.

    A friend got into an accident with a bus that tried to flee the accident scene. Thank god he’s not injured at all – the bus hit the passenger side and he was alone in the vehicle. He was lucky he had a witness.

    My high BMI neighbours upstairs are still as annoying as ever, even right now at 1.25AM and I have another 3.5 years to put up with them and you bet I will.

    By the way, if you’re wondering – Singapore has no decent law against domestic noise. There’s nothing the government can really do if you have an imbecile neighbour like mine. All you can hope is to curse them to rot in their filthy home and get eaten by fleas so they’ll mixmash well with the herbs and spices they pound daily in their bedroom. I’m not sure if even an impending election would change anything since Bukit Panjang is still split into two.

    Just six hours ago I heard I got voted to be in the EXCO of KH. I’m puzzled how I got voted even when it was a no-show; I was at CGH and it wasn’t a lie. I don’t think I can commit and I will not bullshit my way into a role I cannot put quality effort into. This is precisely what I am going to tell them during the next meeting: Career, Family, Hobby. Choose two. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to answer that.

    I’m also trying to adopt a minimalistic approach to life. I’m trying to get rid of shit I don’t need and just keep the necessary stuff at home. I’ve always believed in buying things of quality versus price since high quality stuffs tend to last longer. Also you’re likely to only need ONE good, say, shoe than ten cheap shoes.

    That’s it for today. I need to watch my movie. Stay tuned for more updates.

  • Ayiah, Another $6 for Parking at NUS

    Ayiah, what to do. I was already one hour late for a meeting with my teammates, but as the saying goes better late than never so I decided to park nearer to COM1 so I have a lesser chance of being knocked over by the NUS shuttle bus or errant drivers while walking up from Yusoff Hall.

    OK, you know I’m lying. Truth is that I’m just fat, lazy and wanted to save 5 minutes of my time walking up a dreaded slope. So for that, I’ve paid my “fine” of $6.85.

    Prof. Ben told me learning is never easy. I didn’t know he meant my wallet!

    So meeting teammates was done over my “official lunchtime” and somehow every time I meet these folks, something interesting comes up. We ended up talking super enthusiastically about a potential gambling app but later found out that it was against Facebook’s policy.

    Damn, otherwise we’ll be the next millionaires by the end of this course. Another fat hope dream busted.

  • Lane One is for Overtaking, not Cruising

    Lane 1 on the expressway is called the overtaking lane, not the cruising lane. If you wanna roll your way home at 80kph like a loser, lane 2 is all yours.

    I commute to work daily from Bt. Batok to Tampines. On good days, I get to Tampines in roughly 20 minutes. On fucked up days such as 7am yesterday morning, I could be sitting for an hour in the traffic. It’s only 7am and there’s traffic that slows to a crawl at Paya Lebar! Thanks to OPC owners!

    I’ve been at work the entire night, and god save me, I met not one, but three selfish losers who refuse to give way. Coincidentally they were all driving big cars (e.g. Toyota Camry, Merc E class, BMW 7 series) and two of them were… you guessed it – ladies.

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